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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Catherine of Valois / Owen Tudor / The nature of history!
Date: 6 Mar 1999 06:49:10 GMT


What does Edward III's effigy tell us?

Thank you.

D. Spencer Hines

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John Carmi Parsons wrote in message ...
>It's true that there is no tomb with an effigy of Catherine de
Valois, as she
>was finally buried in the 19th century in Henry's chantry chapel,
which is not
>open to the public. But in the undercroft chapel are preserved the
extant
>effigies that were actually placed on top of the coffins of various
kings and
>queens during their lyings-in-state and their funeral processions.
Catherine's
>is the second oldest among these--Edward III's is the oldest, dating
from 1377
>(the most recent is that of Queen Anne). Like Edward III's,
Catherine's is
>carved from a single piece of wood, and it is commonly accepted that,
like
>Edward's and most of the others, it was based on a death mask. The
close
>facial resemblance between Catherine's effigy and that of her
grandson Henry
>VII, also in the undercroft, has often been remarked.
>
>John Parsons
>
>
>On 5 Mar 1999, SEEpstein wrote:
>
>> I've been to Westminster and there is no effigy of Catherine of
Valois. Who is
>> Rouse and when was he there?
>>
>> --Elaine Pirrone
>>
>>
>> Rouse speculates, from the "wasted" appearance of her funeral
effigy in
>> Westminster Abbey--generally acknowledged to have come from a death
mask--that
>> it was cancer. But we'll never know.

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