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From: "G . EDWARD ALLEN" <>
Subject: Re: Hawise of Chester's connection
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 05:54:36 -0800


RAY Montgomer wrote:
>
> Dear Kay
> why did amicia have a daughter named Bertrand if she is illigitimate?
> I hate asking this but i guess my curiousity is killing me. (my father
> was a cat doctor, and very curious about every thing- so we used to say
> Curiousity killed the cat doctor)
> I guess i get it from him.
> Sincerely
> RAY

I don't know. It is possible that Amice/Amicia was raised in the Earl's
household by Bertrade and that she had kindly feelings towards Bertrade
and named her daughter after her surrogate mother.

Kay Allen AG
> On Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:23:04 -0800 "G . EDWARD ALLEN"
> <> writes:
> >Michelle.Murphy% wrote:
> >>
> >> Amice, the bastard dtr. of Hugh Kevelioc, only married Sir Ralph
> >> Mainwaring, according to my database.
> >>
> >> Sorry, I don't have a clue for the wife of Llywelyn ab Iorwerth.
> >>
> >> Is there a different Sir Ralph Mainwaring though? Even accounting
> >for very old
> >> husbands and infant wives, he can't possibly have married someone
> >born about 91
> >> years after him.
> >
> >Could you have a mis-date for Mainwaring? Do you have his children by
> >Amice?
> >>
> >> Also, do you think your database is complete, and that Ranulf de
> >Meschines did
> >> NOT have any sisters not mentioned in your database? If so that
> >would mean that
> >> one of the sisters you mentioned married Llywelyn ap Iorwerth, if
> >what Douglas
> >> said is true (!) - it's always possible that Amice married a
> >different Sir Ralph
> >> Mainwaring, and maybe Llywelyn second (or first).....?
> >
> >I think I have a fairly complete and accurate data base for the dtrs.
> >of
> >Hugh Kevelioc. But, being human, I can be fallible. I have three
> >illegitimate dtrs. : Amice, Beatrice and Geva; and four legitimate
> >dtrs.: Agnes, Mabel, Maud, and Hawise.
> >
> >I will check Bartrum ands see what he says.
> >
> >Kay Allen AG
> >
> >
>
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