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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Origin of the Meneses family in Portugal and Spain
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 22:33:34 -0500


Francisco Antonio Doria wrote:
>
> Todd, in my case I just wondered about the origins of Pero Bernardes de
> Sahagun, the `traditional' ancestor of the Meneses. I don't know whether
> there is any contemporary reference to him - Telo Peres, for sure. As the
> traditional lineage led nowhere (Fruela II is a nowhere in genealogical
> terms), I just looked for the abbots of Sahagun, just in case. And found
> Bernard de Sauvetat, in fact a mighty feudal overlord, the right man in
> the right place at the right time.

I can't help you with Pero Bernardes, nor can I determine the basis for
Gonzalez redirecting the Meneses descent. I did take a look at Salazar
y Castro, and the Fruela II line is the connection that we have
discussed here before. He traces them back to Ordono Ramirez and
Christina Vermudez. The latter is the daughter of Vermudo II by his
first wife. Ordono Ramirez is traditionally shown to be son of Ramiro
the Blind, son of Fruela II, but just last week I presented the argument
that the chronology for this is nearly impossible, and that Sanchez
Candiera is clearly right in making him son of Ramiro III. All of this
is moot though, since the Meneses do not trace here either way.

ta

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