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Subject: Re: Ivo and Lucy Talybois
Date: 2 Oct 1998 11:29:52 -0700
Nigel Barker seems to have found the root sources for the errors made in the
Countess Lucy genealogy. Turton, Faris and many others all seem to have
reasoned in the same manner that I was reasoning--i.e., noting the name of
Goditha, wife of Gilbert, and then believing the information that the monks
placed in the chronicle (Mon Angl iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem
Soc). This, in turn, led to Lucy being tagged as the granddaughter of
Godiva--especially since the Petersborough Chronicle and the Crowland Charter
verified it and said it was so. However, this reconstruction, though seemingly
sound, was in error. And this discourse has been most fruitful.
In a message dated 10/2/98 1:42:23 AM, writes:
<<"The first recorded member is little mentioned beyond the bare fact that
his name was Gilbert and his wife's name was Godith (Lancs Fines Rec Soc
XXXIX 61). To this the monkish chroniclers have added the fiction that
he was the son of Ketel, son of Eldred, son of Ivo Taillebois (Mon Angl
iii 553 & Cockersands Cartulary, Chethem Soc (New Series) xxxix 305),
whereas he was almost, if not quite, contemporary with Ivo, by whom
Gilbert and his predecessor was probably enffeoffed of those manors
within the Barony of Westmoreland which his descendants, the barons of
Kendal, where chief lords. (Gilbert fitz Reinford & Helewise his wife
confirmed some of Ivo's grants to the Abbey of St. Mary, York (Mon Ang
iii 566)>>
- Ken
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