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Subject: Re: wife of Odoacre/Odoacer, Count of Flanders
Date: 21 Jun 1998 21:38:52 -0700
At 01:33 AM 2/06/98 GMT, you wrote:
> (Richard Borthwick) wrote:
>
>>Chaume (in his *Les origines du Duche de Bourgogne* I) for a much
earlier
>>period (C7-8th) tentatively suggests that two persons with the name
>>'Baldwin' or its variants were connected to a clan with the leading
name
>>'Autchar' (variants: Odocar, Otger, Ottaker, Authari ..etc.). Neither
of
>>these, from what I can recall, was Baldwin I of Flanders.
>
>[snip]
>
>Could you provide more details? Baldwin I of Flanders is the earliest
>bearer of that name of whom I am aware, and if there were earlier
>individuals who bore that name, I would certainly be interested in
>knowing who they were (for a reason that you can probably guess).
>
>Stewart Baldwin
>
Chaume *Bourgogne* I:22 n.3., 118 n.1.
In the first case a Balduinus (Bodilo) was a son of St Sadlaberga (mid to
latter C7th). See also pp.528-31 where Sadlaberga is shown as a member of
the Autcharing goup. The discussion in which this reference comes up is
on
the family of St Ledger (Leudegarius) d.677.
The second reference is a bit more nebulous. The relevant part of the
note
draws attention to the rarity of the name 'Rocco'/'Rocho' and its two
connections (a hundred year apart) with the name 'Autchar'. A legend of
revenge blood-letting has a little Balduin son of Autchar being done to
death (whether by Rocho or someone else I can't recall).
I don't think there is very much in all this vis a vis connecting
'Balduinus' to the Burgundian Autcharing group (Chaume p.528). Chaume
doesn't seem to press the matter. However any connection to the
Burgundian
Agilolfinger would be interesting (Werner has a discussion on this group
in
Reuter (ed) *The Medieval Nobility* pp.164 ff). Maybe Settipani will have
something to say on all this in the second part of *La prehistoire..*
when
he deals in more detail with the Merovingian and Carolingian nobility.
In addition to taf's info. & comment in an earlier response to mine I
notice
that Turton p.19 (relying on Latrie) makes Baldwin I a son of a count
Odoacre (of Harlebec) son of a count Engelram (of the same) son of a
count
Lyderic (of the same). I am quite unfamiliar with an arguments supporting
this filiation chain or the accompanying comital attributions.
This has been written in some haste. I hope it is not too scrappy!
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