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From: Leo van de Pas< >
Subject: Re: Longspee's immigrant ancestors (was Discovering The
Date: 28 Feb 1998 23:15:44 -0800


Dear Omar,
Bastards are simply children of parents who did not marry.
Willem the Conqueror and William Longespee, are two. I have one to
admit to. When Napoleon's army came to the Netherlands one soldier,
Nicodemi (that is all I know of him)left behind a pregnant girl.
In Australia "You bastard" is a term of endearment. (Depending how
it is said!). He did not say we are all bastards, he said we are
all descendants of bastards----you only have to know of one and he
is correct.
With some people (especially Spencer Hines) you have to read
carefully what they say, you may miss something, hidden there might be
even a pearl of wisdom in what is said. I have to disagree with you,
in what he said he was generalising, not insulting. In some of your
sentences I read that English is not your first language (it isn't my
first language either) and I feel you may not grasp what actually was meant.
Leo van de Pas

DeaAt 12:55 AM 3/1/98 -0500, you wrote:
>D. Spencer Hines wrote:
>
>> Vide Infra.
>>
>> D. Spencer Hines
>> --
>>
>> "Well, that's what I mean. You know, if all the people who are named
>> ...deny it....That's all, I mean, I expect them to come looking into it and
>> interview you and everything, uh, but I just think that if everybody's on
>> record denying it you've got no problem.....I wonder if I'm going to be
>> blown out of the water with this. I don't see how they can...if they don't,
>> if they don't have pictures."
>>
>> Governor Bill Clinton --- Telephonic Advice to Gennifer Flowers [1991]
>>
>> John Steele Gordon wrote in message
>> <6dalsj$>...
>>
>> >Oops. I forgot that Elizabeth Alsop, immigrant to Connecticut, is also a
>> >Longspee descendant. And Leo Van de Pas says that Anne Lovelace is too,
>> >which I was unaware of. That gives me a total, so far, of five descents
>> >from Henry II's wrong-side-of-the-sheets offspring.
>>
>> Just remember that we are all Descendants of Bastards If You Go Back Far
>> Enough.
>>
>> So, can we include Joseph and Stewart Alsop as Descendants of the Bastard,
>> William Longespee?
>>
>> >
>> >Perhaps Portculis can tell us if this entitles me to special membership
>> >privileges in the Society of the Illegitimate Descendants of British
>> >Royalty (the proper name of which I can't recall at the moment).
>>
>> Forthcoming No Doubt.
>>
>> >
>> >I must say that William Longspee certainly got his seed spread around
>> >widely. He's the Kilroy of Medieval genealogy.
>> >
>> >John Steele Gordon
>>
>> Damn Right.
>>
>> D. Spencer Hines
>
>I am a lurker but I am insulted when you generalized that "we are all bastars"I
>have had enough of your BS and yes I do not hide behind a non traceable
address:
>
>MR. Omar P. Oszust
>37639 Evergreen Dr.
>Sterling Hts., MI 48310
>Phone # (810) 939-0845
>NOW IF YOU CARE TO CALL ME A BASTARD TO MY FACE PLEASE SAY SO because quite
>frankly I'm feed up with your BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Research can be conducted in a very gentle way but of course you wouldn't know
>about that since that would be very foreing to you, why don't you go and get
>yourself a life and live every body else alone.
>
>
>

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