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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Corbet
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:17:34 -0500


Richard Borthwick wrote:
>
> I am interested in finding the connection between Joan dau. Sir Robert
> Corbet of Moreton Corbet, wife of Owain ap Gruffydd lord of South Powys
> (d.1293), and the main Cauz line [My ref. is CP III:160 sub "Cherleton"].
> Has anyone any reliable information on this?

I was mistaken on this, it is the older Margaret, wife of Wenwynwyn who
was of the Caus line. It is chronologically impossible for the wife of
his grandson Owain to be a Caus Corbet, as that would place her a
generation younger than the eventual coheiresses of the family.

I can't find my notes from Bartrum to clarify who was father of Joanna,
but the following is a traditional descent of Corbet.

(Hugh?) Corbet
-----------------------------------------
RogerRobert
| |
WilliamSybil
-------------------------
RogerWilliamSimon
----------------
ThomasRobert
the Pilgrim |
| -------------
RichardThomas Margaret=Wenwynwyn
|of Caus
Joanna=Richard
Turet |
|
Richard=Petronell
|
Robert=Matilda
|
Thomas=Amice
|
Robert
|
Joanna=Harley

Note the descent from the mythical older son, Thomas the Pilgrim.

My notes from Paget's Baronage have the following modified descent:

(Corbet)
|
Roger
-----------------------
WilliamSimon
-------------------------
RogerWilliamRichard
| |
| |
RobertRichard=Joan Toret
| d.b.1222 |fl.1245
------------- |
Margaret ThomasRobert=Maud
=Wenwynwyn of Caus |d.b.1300
d.b.1274 |
Thomas=Amice
|
Robert
|
Joan=Harley

Now, I should first point out that I was under the impression that
Petronell was well attested, and the absence of her and her husband
here, plus the generation difference in chronology, makes me wonder if I
didn't drop a generation when abstracting this information. None the
less, if Joanna, wife of Owain ap Griffith ap Wenwynwyn was daughter of
"Robert of Moreton Corbet" then she would be daughter of Robert and
Maud/Matilda.

As you can tell by this, the early generations of Corbet are unclear.

ta

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