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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Muhammad's family in Europe.
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 13:48:36 -0500


wrote:
>
> 2) There is independent confirmation of the name *Abuuazar*, in the
> disputes between Lovesendo Abuuazar and some overlord of his. (Lovesendo
> was obviously Abuuazar - I'm using the `official' transliteration -
> Lovesendes son.) Mattoso quotes it. There is a third document that refers
> to Abuuazar Lovesendes. Finally, Mattoso, when discussing Trutesendo
> Abu-Nazar Cid, uses that last spelling. In thge document of S.T. one has
> an enumeration that begins `De Cide Abunazar...', that is, `About Cid
> Abunazar...'
>
> So, please, even if, if we follow Karl Gloeckners injunction - Aller
> Genealogie ist im Grunde Hypothese - it is VERY WELL ATTESTED that the
> guy's name was Abuuazar or Abunazar.

Well, based on Mattoso, Abuuazar is attested several times in charters,
but Abunazar only once (the one reference to Cidi Abunazar), so
something that would have been represented as Abuuazar in charter Latin
is well attested. What the original form was is hardly worth arguing,
unless it is to be used as evidence in a larger theory. Mattoso prefers
Aboazar, but this may be in deference to the traditional assignment.

> 3) On the other hand I yesterday recalled that there is a documentally
> attwested 11th century lady named Ilduara Cides. I'll take a closer look
> at that.

Yes, but unfortunately Mattoso says nothing conclusive (that I could
find) regarding her father, so that it was a nickname cannot be
excluded. I am still trying to locate the other examples I had in mind,
from mozarab Toledo.

> On Zaida: it's a paper by a Spanish historian on the conquest of Toledo.
> Has been published in Portuguese in a collection of essays about Toledo.
> In my opinion it settles the question about Zaida.

Which question? About her having a second child, or about her being
Queen Isabella? From what you have said, I suspect that your source is
Palencia (or something like that, I am going from memory) in a
collection of articles regarding Alfonso VI and the mozarabes of
Toledo. His opinion (that Zaida was a mistress, and never married
Alfonso) contrasts with those of O'Reilly (who suggests that Zaida was a
"Queen Isabella" but not the "Queen Isabella" who was mother of the
daughters) and Jose Canal Sanchez-Pagin (who accepts Zaida as mother of
Elvira and Sancha). ES (? derived from Jaime Salazar Acha) also accepts
Zaida as the "Queen Isabella", and suggests that she was not only
daughter-in-law, but also niece of the Sevilla ruler.

> One question: I don't have the Europaeische Stammtafeln. Do they say
> anything about the Ummayad descent?

ES limits its iberian coverage to the christian dynasties.

ta

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