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From: Mardi Carter <>
Subject: Re: Gilbert de GANT\GAUNT
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 1998 07:13:07 -0700

Richard Borthwick wrote:
>
> At 05:56 AM 31/01/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 98-01-29 16:43:53 EST, you write:
> >
> ><< >At 09:11 PM 23/01/98 EST, you wrote:
> > >>Can anyone give me the parents of Gibert de Gant d. 1094 who m. Alice de
> > >>Montfort ca 1071?
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > >(1) 1. Rudolf van GENT, L of Alost, Flanders
> > >————————————————————————————————————————
> > >Death Date: After 1052
> > >
> > >Spouse: Gisela von LUXEMBURG
> > >Death Date: After 1058
> > >Spouse Father: Friedrich von LUXEMBURG, C in the Moselgau (-1019)
> > >Spouse Mother: N of Gleiberg
> > >
> > >Children: Gilbert
> > >
> > >(2) 1.1 Gilbert de GANT, of Folkingham
> > >————————————————————————————————————————
> > >Death Date: About 1095
> > >Occupation: Held Folkingham, Lincs, at the Domesday Survey.
> > >
> > >Spouse: Alice [Emma] de MONTFORT-SUR-RISLE
> > >Occupation: Eventual heir of her father.
> > >Spouse Father: Hugh de MONTFORT-SUR-RISLE (-1088)
> > >Spouse Mother: N de BEAUFOUR
> > >
> > >Children: Walter
> > > Emma
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> > Cokayne's "Complete Peerage" (Leicester, p.532, note f) says Ives de
> > Grandmesnil (1064-1118) m. a dau. (unnamed) of Gilbert de Gand.
> >
> > I don't have a source reference for the link, but somewhwere was led to
> > believe that the Gilbert de Gand mentioned here was Gilbert de Gant,
> > husband of ALice de Montfort.
> >
> > Can anyone confirm of deny this link? Source references would be graetly
> > appreciated!
> Yes it can be confirmed. ES III/4:697, 698.
> > Today is the first day of the rest of your life ! () Jim
> >
> > Visit my genealogy website at
> > http://www.gendex.com/users/jast >>
> >
> >Another link for this Gilbert de Gaunt. CP, Percy Article, p. 439, states that
> >this Gilbert de Gaunt had a daughter, Emma de Gaunt, who married Alan de
> >Percy. Note e states:
> >
> >"his (Alan's) son William names his mother Emma de Gant in his confirmation to
> >Whitby. She is also named as William's mother in a Bridlington charter."
> >
> >I have also seen references indicate that this Gilbert de Gaunt was son of
> >Baldwin IV of Flanders, or his grandson. This appears for example in Burke's
> >Peerage and Baronetage 1959 edition, and a CD-ROM on European Nobility. Is
> >this one of the famous errors found in Burke's, or is there solid ground for
> >his connection to the counts of Flanders. Can anyone shed some light on this?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Lloyd King
> >
> It used to be thought there was a connection, but there was no proof. There
> is proof that Gilbert was a younger son of Rudolf van Gent lord of Aalst
> [Alost] whose parents we know not [ES VIII: 22A, ref. Ernest Warlop *The
> Flemish Nobility before 1300* III (Kortrijk, 1976) pp.590-596]. Somewhere I
> also have a copy of an important article on just this topic. When I locate
> it I will post the details. From memory it is quite accessible. The old
> theory was mainly based on the fact that 'Baldwin' is a leading name in the
> Aalst family. There can be a number of reasons for a name becoming a leading
> name, especially in the period in question. So it is unsound to draw
> genealogical connections solely on this ground.
> >
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There is an informative article by G. Andrews Moriarty "The Ancestry of
Gilbert de Gant" in THE AMERICAN GENEALOGIST 34:39-40

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