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From: Gordon Fisher <>
Subject: Re: De Lacy + De Clare
Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:45:24


At 04:03 PM 1/4/98 EST, GLAUCUSREX wrote:
>In a message dated 98-01-04 12:53:00 EST, you write:
>
><< I have Roger de Lacy (died 1211, son of John de Lacy and Alice de Vere) as
> marrying Maud/Matilda de Clare. They were the parents of John de Lacy,
> who married Margaret de Quincy. Does anyone know how this Maud de Clare
> fits into the larger de Clare family? Or what her birth, marriage and
> death dates are?
> >>
>
>The Maud de Clare you are referring to is the daughter of Richard de Clare,
>Earl of Hertford and Amicia FitzRobert, Countess of Gloucester. Maud de Clare
>was born about 1184 and died in 1213. Amicia, Maud's mother, was the grand-
>daughter of Robert de Caen, known as the consul or "The King's Son", natural
>son of Henry I Beaclerc, King of England.
>
>Lloyd King
>
>
>

Hmmmm ..... I have the following. ???

Gordon Fisher

"The earl's daughter [dau of Richard (2) de CLARE and Amicia of Gloucester]
Matilda was married to William de Braose (d. 1210), eldest son of the great
marcher baron William de Braose (d. 1211), lord of Brecknock, Abergavenny,
Builth, Radnor, and Gower, who was exiled by King John. In 1210, the
younger William and his mother were starved to death by John, and Painter
has suggested that this atrocity may have been the major reason for the
earl of Hertford's opposition to the king. In any event, Matilda returned
to her father after the younger William's death. In 1219 she and her
eldest son John sued Reginal de Braose, second son and heir of the elder
William, for the family lands. They only succeeded in recovering Gower and
the Sussex barony of Bramber, while the other marcher lordships remained in
Reginald's family."
--- Michael Altschul, *A Baronial Family in Medieval England: The
Clares, 1217-1314*, Baltimore MD (The Johns Hopkins Press) 1965, p 29-30.
See continuation under wife Matilda de Clare.

Michael Altschul describes how Matilda probably was married a second time,
in 1219 to Rhys Gryg, a son of Rhys ap Gruffydd of Deheubarth and a major
figure in the Welsh wars of the early thirteenth century. "Rhys Gryg died
in 1233, and no firther mention is made of his wife."
--- Michael Altschul, *A Baronial Family in Medieval England: The
Clares, 1217-1314*, Baltimore MD (Johns Hopkins Press) 1965, p 30

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