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From: Vicky Bair< >
Subject: Re: Moslem Ancestors
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:32:35 EST


Well List,

Now that I have screwed up my file -- can someone help me? Who should I
remove from those Moslem Ancestors? I still have the original msg
(printed out) from Digest # 155 msg #5. These Moslem names are going to
be tricky to find in my file as it is.

>X-Message: #16
>Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 17:40:11 +0800
>From: Leo van de Pas <>
>To:
>Subject: Moslem Ancestors

>Zaida was one of the errors I made too. A descendant, for whom I had
>made a tree, passed it to the Society of Genealogists in London and
>they came back to me, to tell there was an error. Since then, the
>Dutch Genealogical Society's magazine "Gens Nostra", in 1985, had
>an interesting article "persistent rumours" (1985 page 444 and on).

>I know translating is something special, but I will try.

>I will start halfway the Zaida story. "Further research, amongst
>others
>by the wellknown historian R. Menendez Pidal and E. Levi-Provencal,
>has established that Zaida was not a daughter, but possibly a
>daughter-in-law, of the Moslem ruler of Seville. It is possible, but
>not established, that her father was another "Taifa", by the name
>of Alhayib, Ruler of Lerida and Denia (1081-1090), who, however, is
>not
>a descendant of the Prophet.

>King Alfonso and Zaida had only one son, Infante Don Sancho, who as a
>youth was killed in the battle of Ucles (30 May 1108).

>In regards to Alfonso VI and his relations is concerned:
>he married first Agnes of Aquitaine, a marriage which remained
>childless;
>he married secondly Constance de Bourgogne, they produced six
>children,
>but only Uracca, his heir, and Donna Sancha (who remained childless)
>survived.
>He married thirdly Berta, who died childless
>He married fourthly Dona Isabel, who probably came from France, she
>was
>he mother of two daughters:
> Sancha married DonRodrigo Gonzalez de Lara, and Elvira who
>married
>Roger II of Sicily
>He married fifthly Dona Beatriz who survived him but produced no
>children.

>The Moslem Zaida, baptised as Isabelle (her gravestone states :
>Domna Elisabeth, Uxor Regis Alfonsi, Filia Benaut Regis Siviliae,
>quae prius Zaida fuit vocata) however is a more recent one, the
>previous stone only recorded "Zayda Regina". Historians agree she was
>not a wife but a concubine, and she was only the mother of a son who
>died young.

>And so sadly for me, the line is cut in two places, Zaida is not the
>mother of Sancha, and Zaida is not the daughter of the Emir of
>Seville.

MUCH SNIPPED

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