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From: Chris Bennett <>
Subject: Re: Settipani's Les Ancestres de Charlemagne
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 1997 15:01:45 -0800


In article <>, Medieval Genealogy
Discussion List <> wrote:

> Over the past year I have seen several attempts to order Settipani's book
> on the ancestry of Charlemagne (i.e. Les Ancetres de Charlemagne published
> in 1989) through ILL, but have had no luck--niether the Indiana University
> Library system nor Purdue University's library were able to find a copy for
> me. What I am particularly interested in is this descent from Antiochus II
> Theos that has been mentioned a number of times on this list. Could
> someone possibly just post that partiuclar lineage (which I realize will be
> quite long) so those of us who can not find a copy of Settipani's work
> could at least see the bare outline of what it is that the rest of you have
> been discussing? I know that the lineage in question has been pretty much
> dismissed, but I would still appreciate seeing it. Thanks for your help.
>
> Jeff Duvall
>
> or
>

Here it is. As you can see, it is all too easy to play name games with
the Roman naming system.

I got the book by asking a friend living in Paris at the time to go to the
publishers and buy one for me: Editions Christian, 5, rue Alphonse Baudin
75011 Paris. List price 195FF, ISBN 2-906483-28-1. Editions CHristian
did not respond to a letter. I think the arguments made on CHarlemagne's
ancestry are interesting and if nothing else serve as a good introduction
to the issues and the literature. Its still a book worth getting, though
it will certainly be superseded by Part II of Settipani & van
Kerrebrouck's Prehistoire des Capetiens, if that ever sees the light of
day.

-- Chris

Hypothetical descents labelled by (*), reconstructed names in [brackets],
assumed marriages in brackets thus: [=]

1) Antiochus II Theos, k Syria 261-246
2) Stratonike = Ariarathes III, k Cappadocia
3) Ariarathes IV, k Cappadocia 220-163
4) Stratonike = Eumenes II k Pergamum 197-159
5) Attalos III k Pergamum 138-133 = Berenike
6)(*) daughter
7) Berenike = Deiotarix I, k Galatia 63-41
8) daughter = Brogitarix, k Galatia 63-c50
9) Amyntas, tetrach of the Trocmi
10)(*) Artemidorus, Galatian noble
11) C. Iul Severus, notable of Aikmoneia in Galatia
12)(*) C. Iul. Bassus, proconsul in Bithynia, 98
13)(*) C. Iul. Quadratus Bassus cos. suf 105, proconsul of Asia
14)(*) [C Iul. Asinius] Quadratus
15)(*) C. Asinius Quadratus
16)(*) C. Asinius Quadratus Protimus, br C. Asinius Rufus
17) C. Asinius Nichomachus Iulianus, proconsul of Asia end of 3rd century
18)(*)[Asinia Juliana Nichomacha] = [Quintus Anicius Faustus]
19)(*) [Sextus] Anicius Faustus, cos. 298, PUR 299-300
20)(*) Amnius Anicius Iulianus cos 322, PUR 326-329
21)(*) Amnius Manlius Caesonius Nichomachus Anicius Paulinus Honorius (!),
cos 334, PUR 334-5
22)(*) Anicius Auchenius Bassus PUR 382 = Turrenia Honorata
23)(*) Turrenia Anicia Iuliana = Quintus Clodius Hermogenianus Olybrius cos 379
24)(*) [Anicia]=Pontius
25)(*) Adelphius or Hermogenianus
26)(*) son
27) Ruricius, bishop of Limoges 485-507, Anician descendant
28)(*) daughter [=] Rusticus, bishop Lyon 490-504
29)(*) Artemia = Florentinus, bishop elect of Geneva, 513
30)(*) daughter [=] Munderic, Austrasian pretender c532
31)(*) Mummolin, Mayor of the Palace?
32) Bodogisel, ambassador to Byzantium, 589
33)(*) Arnulf, Bishop of Metz 614-629 = Doda
34) Ansigel = Begga
35) Pepin of Heristal, Mayor of the Palace 688-714 = Alpaida
36) Charles Martel, Duke of the Fraanks 717-741 = Rotrude
37) Pepin the Short, King of the Franks 751-768 = Bertha of Laon
38) CHARLEMAGNE

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