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From: Erin Bradford <>
Subject: Re: William the Conqueror and the Weekes Line.
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 21:44:33 -0800


>6. HUGH OF VERMANDOIS Count of Vermandois, Duke of France was born about
>1060 in "of" Vermandois, N, France. He died on 18 Oct 1102 in Tarsus,
>Cilicie. 25th ggf of Gordon Fisher
>
>"Hugh, count of Vermandois, d. 1101." Anthony R Wagner, article "Heraldry" in
>*Medieval England*, Austin Lane Poole, v. 1, 1958, Oxford UP, p 341. Some
>of his descendants in this database are taken from the tree in this book on
>p 341.
>
>"VERMANDOIS. Arms -- Chequy azure and or, on a chief of the first three
>fleurs-de-lis of the second. From Vermand, a county named from its capital
>in Picardy, now Department Aisne in northeastern France, seat of the
>Varomandui, of Roman times, the surname or title de Vermandois originated.
>The house of Vermandois is one of the most ancient and famous of the early
>French noble houses, and is descended in direct male line from the Emperor
>Charlemagne. The records of the counts go back to Herbert, grandson of
>Bernard of Italy. From 1045 to 1083, the counts possessed also the Valois.
>In 1102, Raoul de Varmandois was the reigning count, probably son of Hugh de
>Vermandois. Hugh the Great, Earl of Vermandois, was one of the leaders of
>the First Crudsade and died at Tarsus in Cilicia in 1102. (P) HUGH, son of
>Henry I, King of France, and Anne, of Russia, was m. to Adela, dau. and
>heiress of Herbert, fourth Earl of Vermandois, and through her right became
>fifth Earl of Vermandois. ..... "
> --- Elizabeth Rixford, *Families Directly Descended from All the Royal
>Families in Europe (495 to 1932) and Mayflower Descendants*, 1932 (1993), p 138
>
>"His summons [to the First Crusade, by Pope Urban II beginning on 27 Nov 1095]
>was eagerly obeyed. From as far afield as Scotland, Denmark and Spain, men
>hastened to make their vows. Some raised money for the journey by pawning
>their possessions and their lands. Others, expecting never to return, gave
>everything over to the Church. A sufficient number of great nobles had adhered
>to the Crusade to give it a formidable military backing. Beside Raymond of
>Toulouse and Hugh of Vermandois, Robert II of Flanders, Robert, Duke of
>Normandy, and the latter's brother-in-law Stephen, Count of Blois, were making
>preparations to set out. More remarkable was the adherence of men devoted to
>the emperor Henry IV. Chief amongst these was Godfrey of Bouillon, Duke of
>Lower Lorraine, who took the Cross with his brothers, Eustace, Count of
>Boulogne, and Baldwin. Grouped round these leaders were many of the lesser
>nobility and a few eminent ecclesiastics, such as the Bishop of Bayeux."
> --- Steven Runciman, *A History of the Crusades*, v 1, *The First Crusade
>and the Foundation of the Kingdom of Jerusalem*, 1951 (p 112 of reprint by
>Penguin, 1991)
>
>7. ADELAIDE OF VERMANDOIS 2 Countess was born about 1050 in "of" Valois,
>France. She died on 23 Sep 1120. Or: ADELINE Or: ADELHEID
>
>"ADELAIDE DE VERMANDOIS, d. ca. 1120, Countess de Vermandois and Valois; m.
>HUGH MAGNUS ..., d. 1101, Duke of France, etc."
> --- Weis & Sheppard, *Ancestral Roots ... *, 7th Edition, 1992, p 123

I just want to make sure I'm understanding something.....is the Hugh de
Vermandois at the top the same as Hugh Magnus listed right above? Thanks

Erin Bradford

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