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From: Tom Thatcher <>
Subject: Re: Sir William Courtenay, of Powderham Castle
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:37:17 GMT


In <> (Rob
Burrowes) writes:

>Summary of my confusion to date:

>> >>Burke's Peerage says that:
>> >
>> >>Sir John Chichester of Raleigh an Youlston, co Devon, high Sheriff 1552
>> >>and 1557, M.P. 1553 and 1562, knighted 1556 m. Gertrude (who d. Apr 1566)
>> >>dau. of Sir William Courtenay, of Powderham Castle, co Devon...

>There are three Williams listed in Burke's (which I don't trust as an
>accurate source) which would fit the dates from the Chichester entry
>(which is why I made the query). One is quoted as being the eldest son of
>Philip (as you suggest below), the next two as son and grandson of the
>first (which also fit what you say). The one Tom quoted was the
>grandson(or great grandson of Philip). This William's grandson, William,
>is quoted as being the 2nd Earl (de jure). Burke's quotes Powderham as
>the residence of the first William, gives no details for the next two nor
>the 2nd Earl. The 4th and 5th Earls (de jure) are quoted as "of Powderham"
>though. The 7th Earl (de jure) is also quoted as being 1st Viscount
>Courtenay of Powderham Castle. The 9th Earl is listed as the 15th
>inheritor of Powderham Castle.

Let me give you one other source. This is from the genealogical chart
in the back of the current Powderham Castle guidebook.

Sir Hugh de Courtenay 2nd Earl of Devon, d. 1377 = Margaret de
Bohun (granddaughter of Edward I whose dowry included Powderham
Castle which she bequeathed to her sixth son Sir Philip in 1391.)

1. Sir Hugh Courtenay, d.s.p. 1374.
2. Edward Courtenay of Godlington, d.v.p. 1371/2 = Emmeline, dau. of
Sir John Dauney, Kt.
2a. Sir Edward Courtenay 3rd Earl of Devon "The Blind Earl"
2b. Sir Hugh Courtenay of Haccombe and Boconnoc d. 1425
3. William Courtenay Archbishop of Canterbury
4. Sir Phillip Courtenay 'of Powderham', King's Lt. in Ireland
1382-1393, d. 1406 = Anne, dau. of Thomas Wake of Blyseworth
|
Sir John Courtenay d. 1419 = Agnes or Joan? Champernowne
|
Sir Philip Courtenay, d. 1463 = Elizabeth dau. of Lord Hungerford
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Sir William Courtenay, d. 1512 = Cicely, dau. of Sir John Cheney
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Sir William Courtenay, d. 1535 = Margaret Edgecumbe
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George Courtenay d. 1533 = Katherine St. Leger
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Sir William Courtenay killed at St. Quentin 1557 = Elizabeth Paulet
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Sir William Courtenay d. 1630 = Elizabeth Manners
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Francis Courtenay d. 1638 = Elizabeth Seymour
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Sir William Courtenay = Margaret Waller
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Colonel Francis Courtenay d. 1699 = Mary Bovey
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Sir William Courtenay, M.P. for Devon, d. 1735 = Anne Bertie
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William Courtenay 1st Viscount d. 1762 = Frances Ffinch
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William Courtenay 2nd Viscount d. 1788 = Frances Clack
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William Courtenay 3rd Viscount and 9th Earl of Devon, established right
to Earldom created in 1553 by Queen Mary. Died unmarried 1835,
the Viscountancy expired but the Earldom passed to his cousin,
great-great-grandfather of the present Earl of Devon.

And there you are...

The Earldom vested in the descendants of Sir Edward "The Blind Earl"
until that branch sided with the House of Lancaster and either died in
battle or lost their heads. The Earldom then vested in the descendants
of Sir Hugh Courtenay of Haccombe (his grandson was created Earl of Devon
by Henry VII. His great-great-great-grandson was created Earl of Devon
by Queen Mary in 1553, but fell out of favor and died in exile in 1556.

The 13th great grandson of Sir Philip (d. 1406) who was William
Courtenay 3rd Viscount of Powderham, established the right in 1831 to
the Earldom created in 1553 by Queen Mary. He died unmarried but the
Earldom passed to his cousin, great-great-grandfather of the present
Earl of Devon. All of his ancestors were created Earls of Devon
retroactively.

--
Tom Thatcher | You can give a PC to a Homo habilis,
University of Rochester Cancer Center | and he'll use it, but he'll use it
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