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From: Donovan Henderson <>
Subject: Re: Ed IV and Elizabeth LUCY -Reply
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:56:56 -0400


Marlyn R Lewis () wrote:
: It is written up in several royal ancestry books. I have to assume
: that it is true. By the way, Elizabeth Lucy isn't a Lucy. She is
: Elizabeth Wayte, daughter of Thomas Wayte of Southampton.

: By Edward IV, Elizabeth Wayte had two other children, Grace and
: Arthur, Lord Lisle.

: Hope that helps.

Marlyn,
I was trying to respond to Allen Holder's original posting of May 1st. but
have now found your reply. I know and respect your work as seen in The
Plantagenet Connection. The information in your reply is something not
seen by me before and is appreciated. Following is my reply to Allen and
I would like your thoughts on this information.
Allen,
I too, am interested in finding a definite connection between Edward IV
and an illegitimate daughter by the name of Elizabeth PLANTAGENET. Her
mothers identity, to my knowledge has yet to be proven. She is reported
to have married a Sir Thomas Lumley which produced a daughter Sibill
born about 1485 who married a William HILTON in 1512. I have included
the following for your information and the WWW address where it was found.
Found on World Wide Webb, address listed at the bottom:

Information on Plantagenet, Edward IV, King of England (p1 of 3)

Plantagenet, Edward IV, King of England
Born: 28 APR 1442, Rouen,France
Acceded: 28 JUN 1461
Died: 9 APR 1483, Westminster,Palace,London,England
Interred: St. George Chap.,Windsor,England
Notes:
Burke say he was born 29 April 1441. Deposed 1470-1471.

Father: Plantagenet, Richard of York, Duke of York 3rd, b. 1411
Mother Neville, Cicely, Lady

Married or Associated with Butler, Eleanor
Married: 1 MAY 1464, Grafton Regis,Northan Woodville, Elizabet
Child 1:Plantagenet, Elizabeth of York, b. 11 FEB 1466
Child 2:Plantagenet, Mary, b. AUG 1467
Child 3:Plantagenet, Cicely, b.20 MAR 1469
Child 4:Plantagenet, Edward V, King of England, b. 4 NOV 1470
Child 5:Plantagenet, Margaret, b. 10 APR 1472
Child 6:Plantagenet, Richard, Duke of York, b. 17 AUG 1473
Child 7:Plantagenet, Anne, Lady, b. 2 NOV 1475
Child 8:Plantagenet, George, Duke of Bedford, b. MAR 1477
Child 9:Plantagenet, Catherine, b. ABT 14 AUG 1479
Child 10:Plantagenet, Bridget, Nun at Dartford, b. 10 NOV 1480

Married or Associated with Lucy, Elizabeth
Child 11: Plantagenet, Arthur, Viscount Lisle
Child 12: Plantagenet, Elizabeth
Information on Plantagenet, Elizabeth(Child 12)

Father: Plantagenet, Edward IV, King of England, b. 28 APR 1442
Mother: Lucy, Elizabeth

Married or Associated with Lumley, Thomas, Sir
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Information on Lumley, Thomas, Sir

Married or Associated with Plantagenet, Elizabeth
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Brian Tompsett
Department of Computer Science
University of Hull
Hull, UK, HU6 7RX


http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/gedFx10.html
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal991
http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal03554
The following is from The Life and Times of EDWARD IV by Gila Falkus,
page 201.
It is surprising that all Edwards amorous escapades led
as far as we know, to only two illegitimate children. By
a woman named Elizabeth Lucy he had a son, Arthur Plantagent,
who was created Viscount Lisle in 1523 by Edwards grandson,
Henry VIII, frequented the Tudor court and died in 1542. The
second was a daughter about whom very little is known, not
even the identity of her mother, but she was probably brought
up in the household of Elizabeth Woodville and was present at
the dowageer Queens death in 1492.

I realize that none of this solves the main question raised by your post
but it may help gather others interested in the same quest.

Donovan Henderson

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