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From: "Todd A. Farmerie" <>
Subject: Re: Two William of Evreux? (Attn: W Reitwiesner)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 06:19:59 GMT


In a previous article, (Jim Stevens) says:

>>William Addams Reitwiesner
>> responed to a previous posting to this thread :
>
>>Here's an extract from Band II, Tafel 79 of Schwennicke, with additions
>>from other volumes, mentioned in [brackets], where necessary:
>>

>>Richard C d'Evreux Raoul Guillaume m. Hadewise, widow of Robert
>>d. 1067, m. *** d. 1051 de Grandmesnil, dau. of Girois de St
>>
>>*** - II:79 says she was Adelaida de Barcelona, dau. of Ramon Borrel I and
>>widow of Roger I de Tosny, but [III:705] says that N. de Barcelona was
>>Roger's first wife, and that it was his second wife, Godehildis, who
>>married Evreux. Go figure.
>
> Let me, or rather more correctly, G.E. Cokayne in the COPLETE PEERAGE,
>under the TONY listing for ROGER DE TOENI, throw another log on this fire.
>
> In the main text, it is stated that Roger "went away to Spain and
>distinguished himself in fighting the infidels" and that "He m., perhaps
>2ndly, Godehut, whose parentage is unknown. He d. as above, probably in
>1038 or 1039 . . . His widow m. Richard, 3rd count of Evreux."
>
> Then in a footnote, it is stated "Roger, s. of Count Rodolf (see note
>"b" above [which states that this Roger is almnost certainly, but not
>conclusively, the Roger we are now discussing]),m.,in Spain,Stephanie [or
>Etiennette], sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias,
>King of Spain (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol X, p. 223). This agrees with
>the statement of Ademar, that he m. a dau. (unnamed) of the widowed
>Ermesende, Countess of Barcelona (idem, p. 156), the mother of Raymond
>abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he m. Godehut while his 1st
>wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garcias III, King of Navarre, while Roger
>was living."
>

First my own comment. I would find a member of the house of Barcelona
having the name of Godehut, or even Godehildis, to be quite a surprise. If
this was the name of Richard's wife, then I doubt she was the same as the
Spanish princess.

Evans addressed this, in part, in an article (I think in the Genealogists
Magazine) on Todeny of Belvoir. The CP account of the Barcelona family is
off. The true known relationships are as follows:

Roger of Borrell
Bigorre of Barcelona
| |
|---------------------| |
| | |
Bernard Roger Ermesende=Ramon Borrell
| |
| |- - - - - - - - -:
| | :
Estephania Berenguer Ramon I Adelaide
=Garcia Sanchez =Sancha Sanchez ?=Roger de Toni
|
|
Ramon Berenguer I

Thus the following points can be made. Stephanie is a red herring. She
was not daughter of Countess Ermesende, nor was she sister of Ramon
Berenguer. Any chronological argument involving her can be rejected.
Second, since Ermesende was grandmother of Ramon Berenguer, the wife could
not have been both daughter of one and sister of the other. Either the
chronicler was in error, confusing Berenguer Ramon with his son Ramon
Berenguer, or there were two marriages involved, the solution proposed by
Evans. The use by the Todeni of Belvoir family of the name Berenger de
Todeni (also known as Berenger Hispina, a nickname I have seen elsewhere
translated, I don't know how accurately, as "of Spain") suggested to Evans
that this line descended from a Barcelona marriage, and he proposed that
Roger de Toni married Adelaide, daughter of Ramon Borrell and Ermesende,
while a kinsman, married her niece (perhaps named Stephanie) sister of
Ramon Berenguer. (I don't have the reference handy, so I may have this
confused in detail.) Note that any attempt to number the early Counts of
Barcelona or Kings of Navarre will end in frustration. I have seen three
different numbering systems for Barcelona, and I have seen this Garcia
Sanchez called anything from III-V.

That is the long version. The short version is that this is one that still
remains to be worked out.

Todd

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