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From: Jim Stevens <>
Subject: Re: Two William of Evreux? (Attn: W Reitwiesner)
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 06:19:00 EST


>William Addams Reitwiesner
> responed to a previous posting to this thread :

>>Mr Reitwiesner:
>>
>>You kindly informed me a short time ago that according to the
>>*Europaeische Stammtafeln*, Band II, Tafel 79, Judith of
>>Evreux was a daughter of Guillaume d'Evreux and his wife
>>Hadewise, and that Guillaume was a son of Robert, Comte
>>d'Evreux (d. 1037) by his wife Herleva. I've observed
>>that I already had a William of Evreux in my database, as
>>son of Richard of Evreux, father of the foregoing Robert
>>of Evreux. My source is a chart of p 422 of the book
>>*William the Conqueror* by David C Douglas (1964). He
>>has:
>>
>> Richard, c of Evreux, = Godehildis, widow
>> d. 1067 of Roger I of Tosny
>> |
>> |
>> William, c. of Evreux
>> fought at Hastings, 1066;
>> died 1118; succeeded by
>> Amauri, son of his sister Agnes
>>
>>Is the William of Evreux you cited the son of this latter
>>William of Evreux? Regrettably there is no copy of the
>>*Europaeische Stammtafeln* I can consult where I live!
>
>No need to personalize this: I'm not the *only* person in s.g.m with access
>to a copy of Schwennicke.
>
>Here's an extract from Band II, Tafel 79 of Schwennicke, with additions
>from other volumes, mentioned in [brackets], where necessary:
>
>
> Robert C d'Evreux, d. 1037, m. Herleva
> |
> ______________|__________________
> | | |
> | | |
>Richard C d'Evreux Raoul Guillaume m. Hadewise, widow of Robert
>d. 1067, m. *** d. 1051 de Grandmesnil, dau. of Girois de St
> | Ceneris and Gisle de Montfort-sur-
> | Risle [III:697]
> _____|____ |
> | | _______|_______________
> | | | |
>Guillaume Agnes m. Emma m. Guillaume VI Judith d. 1076 m.
>C d'Evreux Simon de d'Auvergne C de 1061 Roger I Gf v
>d. 1118 Montfort Clermont [III:732] Sizilien d. 1101
> d. 1087 [II:206]
> [III:642]
>
>
>*** - II:79 says she was Adelaida de Barcelona, dau. of Ramon Borrel I and
>widow of Roger I de Tosny, but [III:705] says that N. de Barcelona was
>Roger's first wife, and that it was his second wife, Godehildis, who
>married Evreux. Go figure.

Let me, or rather more correctly, G.E. Cokayne in the COPLETE PEERAGE,
under the TONY listing for ROGER DE TOENI, throw another log on this fire.

In the main text, it is stated that Roger "went away to Spain and
distinguished himself in fighting the infidels" and that "He m., perhaps
2ndly, Godehut, whose parentage is unknown. He d. as above, probably in
1038 or 1039 . . . His widow m. Richard, 3rd count of Evreux."

Then in a footnote, it is stated "Roger, s. of Count Rodolf (see note
"b" above [which states that this Roger is almnost certainly, but not
conclusively, the Roger we are now discussing]),m.,in Spain,Stephanie [or
Etiennette], sister of Raymond Berenger; which lady afterwards m. Garsias,
King of Spain (Rec. des Hist. de France, vol X, p. 223). This agrees with
the statement of Ademar, that he m. a dau. (unnamed) of the widowed
Ermesende, Countess of Barcelona (idem, p. 156), the mother of Raymond
abovenamed. If this Roger were Roger de Toeni, he m. Godehut while his 1st
wife was alive, and Stephanie m. Garcias III, King of Navarre, while Roger
was living."

Does this help, or merely maddy the waters some more ?

Today is the first day of the rest of your life ! () Jim

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