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From: "Alan B. Wilson" <>
Subject: Re: Alice of SALUZZO
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 15:14:37 -0800


In an article dated 11 Nov, James A. Stevens says: "I
have experienced some difficulty with the genealogy of Marie of
Champaign/ Blois =8A"

I cannot resist (though I probably should) the
temptation to extend the line of Marie of Champagne somewhat
farther than may be called for in each direction: from
Charlemagne to immigrants to New England.

1. Charlemagne King (2 Apr 747 - 28 Jan 814)
& Hildegard of Linzgau Countess (758 - 30 Apr 783)
2. Louis I "the Pious" of Aquitaine King (Aug 778 - 20 Jun 840)
& Judith of Bavaria (Circa 800 - 19 Apr 843)
3. Charles II "the Bald" of France King (13 Jun 823 - 6 Oct 877)
& Richaut of Metz ( - 910/914)
4. Rothaut of France Princess (Circa 871 - )
& Hugh of Bourges Count (862 - 892)
5. Richilde of Bourges (892 - )
& Theobald of Blois Count (Circa 885 - Circa 950)
6. Theobald of Blois Count (Circa 915 - 16 Jan 975)
& Legarde de VERMANDOIS (915/920 - 9 Feb 978)
7. Eudes I of Blois Count (Circa 950 - 12 Mar 995/996)
& Bertha of Burgundy Princess (Circa 0967 - Circa 1016)
8. Eudes II of Blois Count (Circa 990 - 15 Nov 1037)
& Ermengarde of AUVERGNE (About 995 - Circa 1042)
9. Theobald III (I) of Blois Count (Before 1012 - Sep 1089)
& Gundrada
10. Stephen Henry Count of Blois (1046 - 27 May 1102)
& Adela of England Princess (About 1062 - 8 Mar 1137/1138)
11. Theobald IV (II) "the Great" de Blois Count (1093 - 8 Oct 1152)
& Mahaud \ Mathilda von Sponheim (Circa 1107 - 13 Dec 1160)
12. Marie de Champagne (Circa 1129 - 7 Aug 1190)
& Eudes II de Burgundy Duke (Circa 1118 - 27 Sep 1162)
13. Hugh III of Burgundy Duke (Circa 1148 - 25 Aug 1192)
& Beatrice de Viennois (Circa 1162 - 16 Dec 1228)
14. Anne (Marguerite) of Burgundy (Circa 1192 - 1242)
& Amadeus IV of Savoy Count (1197 - 24 Jun 1253)
15. Beatrice of Savoy (Circa 1224 - 10 May 1259)
& Manfredo III de SALUZZO Marquis (About 1220 - 29 Oct 1244)
16. Thomas of SALUZZO (Circa 1244 - 1296)
& Leugia de CEVA (Circa 1245 - 1299)
17. Alisona of SALUZZA (Circa 1271 - 25 Sep 1292)
& Richard FitzALAN Earl of Arundel (3 Feb 1267 - 9 Mar 1301/1302)
18. Eleonor FitzALAN (Circa 1272 - 1328)
& Henry PERCY (Circa 25 Mar - Oct 1314)
19. Henry PERCY (6 Feb 1301 - Feb 1351/1352)
& Idonea CLIFFORD (Circa 1303 - 24 Aug 1365)
20. Isabel de PERCY ( - Before 25 May 1368)
& William de ATON Lord (Circa 1299 - Mar 1388/1389)
21. Catherine de ATON
& Ralph de EURE Sir ( - 10 Mar 1492)
22. Catherine EURE ( - Before 31 Aug 1459)
& Alexander NEVILLE ( - 1457)
23. William NEVILLE Sir (Circa 1425/1426 - )
& Joan
24. William NEVILLE (Circa 1450 - )
& Joan BOYNTON
25. Ralph NEVILLE Sir ( - 1522)
& Ann WARD (Circa 1480 - )
26. Katherine NEVILLE (1492 - )
& Walter STRICKLAND Sir (1497 - 9 Jan 1527/1528)
27. Walter Charles STRICKLAND (5 Apr 1516 - 8 Apr 1569)
& Margaret HAMERTON
28. Ellen STRICKLAND (Circa 1550 - After 1623)
& John CARLETON (1550/1555 - Jan 1622)

References:
Weis, Ancestral Roots: 148 (gen. 1-3), 49 (gen. 3-6),
136 (gen. 6-8), 137 (gen. 8-11), 28 (gen. 14-17), 161 (gen.
17-19), 206 (gen. 19-21), 204 (gen. 21-25), 2 (gen 25-28).
Weis lists the wife of Theobald III (generation 9) as
Alix de Crepi. This was questioned some time ago by Todd
=46armerie. Europaische Stammtafeln [ES] ii, 46, lists three
wives for Theobald III: (1) Gersende of Main, renounced 1048;
(2) Gundrada; and (3) Adela (Alix) de Crepy. ES lists Stephen
Henry as son of the second wife. Weis does not seem to include
generations 12 and 13; they are included in ES, below.
Europaische Stamtafeln, vol ii: 46 (gen. 5-11), 47
(gen. 11-12), 20 (gen. 12-14), 190 (gen. 14-15).
Moriarty,The Plantagenet Ancestry: 36 (gen. 5-7), 117
(gen. 7-12), 153 (gen. 12).
Winkhaus, Ahnen zu Karl dem Grossen und Widukind: 42-43
(gen. 5-12), 51-52 (gen. 12-13).
Stuart, Royalty for Commoners: 179 (1-3), 133 (3-11).

Generations 6-12, as listed above, seem to correspond
fairly closely to Stevens's report of the line based on
Allstrom's "Dictionary of Royal Lineage." The second line
listed by Stevens seems to be mixed up. For example, I believe
Theobald II and Eudes II are brothers--both sons of Eudes I.

Alan B. Wilson

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