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From: Nietzsche <>
Subject: Re: Canute II King Denmark/England married Emma deCourcy of Normandy (long)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:13:53 -0800
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Nat Taylor wrote: In article <47epeu$>,
>(Nietzsche) wrote:
>
>> I am decended from Henry son of Gerald deCourcy, 19th Baron
>>Lord Kingsale, Member of privey councel of Charles I & Gentleman
>>of the Court (who came with 2 other brothers)
This is a matter of well documented fact. There have been no gaps
in my family tree. Through family records, public record, due to
their high profile titles & jobs, we never had to look for our
history in the US, we always had it handed down to us. Gerald had
other sons & daughters, they were mentioned in the wills of the
New World brothers since they needed to give there titles & land
holdings to some in the blood line back in England & Ireland.
>A brief perusal of Gary Boyd Roberts' _The Royal Descents of 500
>Immigrants to the American Colonies or the United States_
>(Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1993) does not reveal
>any mention of three "de Courcy" brothers who came to this
>country in or near the reign of Charles I.
They were working for Lord Baltimore & others. There are som may
letters, charters, grants, treaties sighd by my Henry & his lords
or the crown in England. The sons used de Coursey in alot of
there records, bu the name was misspelled so many times in the New
World hence, rivers, creeks, towns having lots of variations, even
a few grants straight from London to the same man were put in 2
versions of the name.
>This is a weak argument, "from silence", but I would be tempted
>to surmise that in his very thorough review of published
>scholarship on the subject of early American immigrants with
>acceptable royal ancestry, Mr. Roberts rejected the American "de
>Courcy" ancestry which is so lovingly (albeit chaotically)
>displayed in Nietzsche's last post (was Nietzsche a de Courcy
>too?)
hahahahaha I am also a student of Sociology, Philosophy,
Psychology, & others. I enjoy Nietzsche's works & views.
The facts of the 3 brothers Henry, William & John (sons of Gerald
ce Courcy 19th Baron Lord Kingsale) coming over & of there being
in the service of Lord Baltimore is very documented. There is the
Land grants from England to families in the US. There is the
Iriquios treaties negotiated by Henry. The fact that they had
their titles & there coat of arms on there will..etc.. There are
many letters in the National Archives, many were persons abroad
updating the US family of events occuring in England & Ireland.
Some state the need for my family to come back & claim the title
Lord Kingsale, because under salic law the title could only passed
to a male heir. In 1763 the then reigning Lord Kinsale died, only
leaving 3 daughters & son-in-laws. There are many sources of
documantation & record in England & Ireland & the US as well as
museums.
No one in my family has ever had the need to go hunt for family
info from our immigration in 1650 on, because it has always been
maintained & a matter of public record. The reason I am hunting
to find more documentation, paintings, tapestries, poems, songs,
lore, etc.. is because i am a poet & my brother is a writter & we
love our family & our art. It seems natural to tie in the
personal lives of our ancestors to dry charts & book pages.
>I have long felt that an excellent scholarly project, to
>complement Roberts' compendium of royal ancestries, would be a
>hand-list of those early American immigrants form whom a royal
>ancestry was posited in print but later rejected, including
>citations to first appearance of the bogus ancestry, best (or
>most widely available) refutation of the bogus ancestry, &
>suggestions as to why, or how, the ancestry came to be grafted
>ne (amateur fraud, professional fraud, honest misreading of
>primary evidence, wishful thinking, etc).
>Nat Taylor
Go write to the House of Commons or the present Lord Kingsale or
one of the many associations that record this (remember it is the
oldest barony in Irelan, since it was granted by Henry II of
England in 1181...thats right 815 years of documented history of
just that 1 family title. If you go beyond that you can research
the Museun in Down, the House of De Courcy, & the De Courcy Arms,
Church St., DownPatrick. Tourist brocures even have the history
of my famiily on it. George Bernard Shaw mentions them in a book
opf his, as does Mark Twain, but those are just a few popular ones
that are fun to tell the kids for show & tell, look a Royal
Genealogical charts, like the one by Patrick W. Montague-Smith, or
Sir Henry Maxwell Lyte, Debrett's Peerage, "The Royal Families of
England Scotland and Wales - With pedigrees of Royal descents in
illustration." by Sir Bernard Burke, Harrison, 1876., etc..)& ask
them for a full chart of Genealogy, make sure to have it include
all the sons & wives connections etc..
Don't flame me.. It is nonsense... & you are bound to get burned.
Being helpful is so much nicer.
Stay true to the Fire With-in,
Garland Elizabeth deCourcy :)
Fairfax, Virginia USA
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