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From: Tom Camfield <>
Subject: Re: Summoning and Title
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 19:54:21 +0300


In article <42lq5h$>, Stephen Kymlicka
<> wrote:

> As some may recall, Tom Camfield and I had a thread going about
> the Nevilles. We seem to have gotten most things sorted out
> except the numbering of the Barons Raby. Specifically, the
> Dictionary of National Biography has two more than The Complete
> Peerage and Burke's (to name a couple).
>
> OK, the question:
>
> Robert Neville (DNB #2, CP, #-1) d. 1282 was given a military
> summons in 42 Henry III to "march to the relief of the King of
> Scotland". Does this summons consititute a recognition of title?
>
> Alternate question:
>
> Does anyone know of an alternate reason why Robert and his
> dad, Geoffrey would be considered barons?

Respondents also please note: Weis (7th ed., 186-4/5), while identifying
Randolph (Ranulph), d. 1331, as first Baron Neville of Raby, also
identifies his son Ralph, 1291-1367, as 4th Baron Neville of Raby. Unless
the title passed quickly through two of Ralph's older brothers, who died
young, I can't see any
explanation for that jump from 1st to 4th Baron. It also should be noted
that the father of Ranulph (d. 1331) died v.p. so that any title inherited
by Ranulph would have come down from his grandfather (the Robert who d.
1282)
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