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From: Todd A. Farmerie< >
Subject: Re: From Banu Qasi to the kings of Denmark
Date: 17 Jul 1995 17:57:17 GMT


I have not taken the time to run all of these down, but:

In a previous article, (Gabriel Wallgren) says:

>
>In Europische Stammtafeln, band II and III the following Banu Qasi
>connections appears:
>
>1.Band II, Tafel 49 The kings of Asturia, Leon and Galicien
>
>Fruela II, king of Leon 924-925, born approx. 875, died 925. m.
>1. Nunilo Ximena m. 2. Urraca, daughter of 'Abdallah ibn-Muhammed
>(Banu Qasi).
>In his second marriage he had the following children:
>a) Ramiro, died in 932.
>b) Eudo
>c) Fortis
>d) Urraca married before 969 to Aznar Purceliz, who died after
>969.
>
>Did Urraca and Aznar have any children???
>

I no of no descendants of Fruela II, through any of his children. All
lines that I have seen have no support, or have 100 year generations,
nomenclatural impossibilities, etc.

The muslim sources have only Ordono and Ramiro as children of the BQ
marriage of Fruela.

>2.Band II, Tafel 53 The kings of Pamplona
>
>Besides the marriage between Inigo and the widow of Musa
>ibn-Fortun and Assonia Iniguez marriage with Musa ibn-Musa there
>are:

This has been questioned by Collins, who suggests (in The Basques) that the
relationship between the Inigo Arista and Muza ibn Musa was that they were
brothers-in-law (appearently interpreting the arabic as `brothers through
the female side' as being through marriage, and not through a common
marriage. I have not gone back to the original arabic yet to look into
this.

>Velasquita Garces (sister of Fortun Garces, king of Pamplona,
>died 905) who married Mutarif ibn-Musa, executed in Cordoba the
>6th of September 873.
>

I know of no evidence in muslim or christian sources for this marriage.

>3.Band II, Tafel 54 The kings of Pamplona and Navarra
>
>Three sons of the king Inigo Garces of Pamplona named Jimeno,
>Fortun and Sancho married three sisters, who were daughters of
>Lope ibn-Muhammed.
>No children mentioned.
>

His three sons are shown going to Cordoba, but I know of no reference for
their marriage.

>4Band III, Tafel 119 The counts of Bigorre, Ribagorza and Pallars
>
>Raimundo I, count of Ribagorza and Pallars, died in 916. m. 1.
>Guinigenta. m. 2. a daughter of Mutarrif ibn-Lope.
>
>

There are several problems with this conclusion. First, Giniguenta was the
same as the Senegunda, wife of Isarno of Pallars, and hence daughter-in-law
and not wife of Raymond. This is (in my opinion) the appropriate
interpretation of the text of the Codice de Roda, and is followed by its
spanish editor, Lacarra. Second, there is a severe chronological problem
with this ES table. The brother of Raymond, Dato Lope, is shown marrying
his grandniece, the granddaughter of his sister Dadildis (mother of Sancho
Garces, whose bastard was wife of Dato Lope). It may be necessary to
completely revise the chronology here. As it is, the two people studying
the family have differed by 20 years for the time of Raymond's death.
Third, The original source. ibn-Hayyan, says brother-in-law, without saying
who married whose sister. There is no way to distinguish which way the
realtionship went. Fourth, it is Muhammed ibn Lubb who is called
brother-in-law of Raymond of Pallars, and not his nephews, the sons of
Mutarrif. The ES version appeared in the chart at the end of Levi-
Provencal without reference, and is in disagreement with the text of the
same source. Finally, another reasonably accurate source, al-Udri, shows
that `Raymond, Count of Pallars, killed his brother-in-law Muhammed ibn
Lubb ibn Qasi in 929. This is after the death of both Raymond I and
Muhammed ibn Lubb ibn Muza, and must represent their grandsons of the same
name, so all sources don't even agree that it was Raymond I and Muhammed I
that were brothers-in-law.

Todd

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