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From: William A. Reitwiesner< >
Subject: Re: LLEWELYN'S HELENS
Date: 2 Jul 1995 08:04:30 -0500


(Tom Camfield) said:

>I've had trouble pinning down the Helen, supposed daughter of Llewelyn ap
>Iorwerth, who married the Earl of Fife, then Donald, Earl of Mar. The dates
>always have been a problem for one thing.

(snip)

>So, perhaps Llewelyn had two daughters named Helen, one by Joan his wife
>(illegitimate daughter of King John of England), another perhaps by a
>mistress?

Yes. See the article in vol. 1, number 1 (1981, I think) of *The
Genealogist* (the one published by the Association for the Promotion of
Scholarship in Genealogy), on the children of Joan, where this issue is
explored. It turns out that there was a Welsh custom, or habit, of giving
the same name to more than one child.

William Addams Reitwiesner

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