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From: Kay Allen AG <>
Subject: Re: two Waller descents (was ...)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 1990 09:58:31 -0800


Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
>
> Here there are two alleged 'Waller' descents: the 'Valer' line to a
> 19th-century Sir Jonathan Waller (from Burke); and the Warren of Poynton
> family with an alleged branch taking the surname Waller as an 'alias'.
>
> 1.
>
> > > Alured de Valer (d. 1183)
> > > John de Valer (1165-)
> > > Henry de Valer (1200-)
> > > Vilhelm de Valer (1230-1278)
> ...
>
> >This is from "Waller a Family History" by J. Ralph Dickey and Elizabeth
> >Dickey Trower. ... This was publicly posted by Sir Jonathan Wathen Waller
> >as a mural on the wall of a Church in England in the 1800s and is quoted
> >in Burke's.
>
> Can we get a citation more specific than simply 'Burke' for this? The
> line, on the face of it, looks suspect, which is typical of many of these
> agnate gentry lines printed by Burke. One should assume that any such
> line in Burke's _Landed Gentry_, etc., is bogus until proven
> otherwise--especially if someone paid to have it inscribed on a church
> wall.
>
> 2.
>
> > > Sir Laurence Warren [of Poynton]
> > > John Warren
> > > Richard Warren
> > > William Warren als Waller
> ...
>
> >I have more to say about the Warrens of Poynton ... the
> >Warren---> Waller line is supposed to derive from not an unknown son of Sir
> >Lawrence but his son John de Warren's fourth son Richard b. c1448. More to
> >come...
>
> The Warrens of Poynton are a known family. Now Todd has told us that the
> 1580 Visitation of Chester gives Sir Lawrence Warren of Poynton no son
> John. What is the source which gives him a son John, and which gives that
> John a grandson William Warren 'alias Waller'?
>
> Nat Taylor

The 1634 Visit. Herts. claims to make connections back to Warren of
Poynton, but these pedigrees are not substantiated. I'm sure that
someone could spend beaucoup bucks and hire a Herald to check the
"proofs" at the College of Arms.

Kay Allen AG

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