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From: Kay Allen AG <>
Subject: Re: two Waller descents (was ...)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 1990 09:51:32 -0800


Nathaniel Taylor wrote:
>
> Here there are two alleged 'Waller' descents: the 'Valer' line to a
> 19th-century Sir Jonathan Waller (from Burke); and the Warren of Poynton
> family with an alleged branch taking the surname Waller as an 'alias'.
>
> 1.
>
> > > Alured de Valer (d. 1183)
> > > John de Valer (1165-)
> > > Henry de Valer (1200-)
> > > Vilhelm de Valer (1230-1278)
> ...
>
> >This is from "Waller a Family History" by J. Ralph Dickey and Elizabeth
> >Dickey Trower. ... This was publicly posted by Sir Jonathan Wathen Waller
> >as a mural on the wall of a Church in England in the 1800s and is quoted
> >in Burke's.
>
> Can we get a citation more specific than simply 'Burke' for this? The
> line, on the face of it, looks suspect, which is typical of many of these
> agnate gentry lines printed by Burke. One should assume that any such
> line in Burke's _Landed Gentry_, etc., is bogus until proven
> otherwise--especially if someone paid to have it inscribed on a church
> wall.
>
> 2.
>
> > > Sir Laurence Warren [of Poynton]
> > > John Warren
> > > Richard Warren
> > > William Warren als Waller
> ...
>
> >I have more to say about the Warrens of Poynton ... the
> >Warren---> Waller line is supposed to derive from not an unknown son of Sir
> >Lawrence but his son John de Warren's fourth son Richard b. c1448. More to
> >come...
>
> The Warrens of Poynton are a known family. Now Todd has told us that the
> 1580 Visitation of Chester gives Sir Lawrence Warren of Poynton no son
> John. What is the source which gives him a son John, and which gives that
> John a grandson William Warren 'alias Waller'?
>
> Nat Taylor

"Some Warren Families of the Sixteenth Century," The Genealogists'
Magazine, 7:147 etseq. Covers various Warren and Warren/Waller families,
most of whom do not descend from Warren of Poynton. There were no clear
cut, proven descendencys from this family, but a few possibilities which
needed much more work in 1935. To the best of my knowledge this work has
not been done. So any so-called descent from Warren of Poynton is
UNPROVEN and possibly bogus.

Kay Allen AG

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