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From: "Martin V. Andersen" <>
Subject: Sv: Need explanation of "Til Mikkelsdag"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:23:33 +0200
References: <20050402170939.74470.qmail@web60705.mail.yahoo.com>


Hello,

I believe others answered your questions, except the one about when we have confirmation. Back in the 1800's and possibly before, in my experience (From the church books - not personal !!), they were usually on the first sunday after easter. In bigger parishes they had two confirmation dates, the first sunday after easter and the first sunday after Michaelmass Day. In even bigger parishes, usually cities, they may have more dates both in the spring and the autumn.

Today there are a lot more children, and therefore more dates in particularly the spring. Where I live (Herfølge), we have the confirmation in late class 8, when the children are 15 or will be shortly afterwards. I think we usually have about 3 or 4 dates, because of the size of the parish (About 12.000 people). In nearby Køge, I think they're confirmed in late class 7 (Spring) or early class 8 (autumn). At least they were, when I was a kid.

"Til Paroke" must be "Til Paaske" which means At Easter.

You definitely need the book Bauers Calender 601-2200, which is a book containing tables from which you can translate all the church dates into real dates, like "First Sunday after Easter 1749" into April 13th 1749. It gives a lot of explanations about the calenders used back in time and the old latin dates. Unfortunately it's in Danish only........ (It's a reprint of a book from 1868).

You may find some of your answers here, in Danish though :-)

http://www.morchslaegt.dk/bauers/bauer.htm

Take care

Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: Norm Hellmers <>
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Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: Need explanation of "Til Mikkelsdag"


> To List:
>
> One of my wife's ancestors was confirmed in 1890. The
> church book says it took place "Til Mikkelsdag"
> [Michaelmas Day, or St. Michael's Day]. Michaelmas Day
> is September 29. Does the "Til Mikkelsdag" mean that
> the confirmation took place the Sunday after
> Michaelmas Day? What does the "Til" mean in this
> context?
>
> A different confirmation record in 1882 indicates that
> the confirmation took place on 1 October 1882 and also
> says "Til Mikkelsdag." In 1882, 1 October was the
> Sunday after Michaelmas Day.
>
> Other records show confirmations on a date marked only
> as what looks like "Til Paroke." Can someone tell me
> what this is? This was in spring. Were there
> traditionally confirmations in both spring and fall?
>
> Does anyone know of a Website where I can find a
> Danish liturgical calendar for this time period?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Norm Hellmers
> norm_hellmers
> @yahoo.com
>
>
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