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From: Tony Hansen <>
Subject: Re: [DK] [Fwd: Fw: Boycott Ellis Island Website]
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:21:16 -0400
References: <20020903125414.36594.qmail@web9608.mail.yahoo.com>


That's not what his site did. The All-in-1 site provided an alternate
web form interface to Ellis Island's search engine, that brought you to
THEIR results page, which INCLUDED all of their advertising and
merchandising. So Ellis Island certainly wasn't losing out on anything
by people using that alternate interface.

The Statue of Liberty-Ellis Island Foundation (SOLEIF) is a non-profit
organization. Corporate grants and individual donations paid for the
database and the web site. The transcription work was all done by
volunteers. The merchandising only recoups a SMALL part of the costs.

The comments about deep linking are incorrect. Some courts have declared
some forms of deep linking to be illegal, in certain restricted cases,
in certain parts of certain countries. Other courts have upheld deep
linking as perfectly legit. Have you read the Terms and Conditions
(T&Cs) on the Ellis Island site? THOSE are what determine whether deep
linking is permissible.

There are many ways that this could have been handled by SOLEIF. Sending
a "Cease and Desist" mail was not the best.

IF you are dissatisfied with what they did, express your disleasure in
whatever fashion you feel suitable.

Tony

janet Kruger wrote:
> I agree with Michael Deep linking is ILLEGAL He broke it plain and simple. No reason to boycott Ellis,
>
> Janet Kruger
> Michael Jacobs wrote:Sorry Tony but I'm not sure I agree. US taxpayer funds were used to set up
> this site. The only way they can recover some of these funds is to:
>
> advertise
> sell merchandise
> charge a fee to access
>
> I'm sure we don't want the third option. If we accept 1 or 2 we also accept
> that they don't want people developing engines to bypass their advertising
> or merchandise sales.
>
> So, you can see why they are not impressed with this independent search
> engine.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Jacobs
>
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> get the word out! this really stinks.
>
> Tony Hansen
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laura Johnson
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:38 AM
> Subject: Boycott Ellis Island Website
>
>
> Boycott Ellis Island Website
> http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/
>
> Many of you are familiar with the Ellis Island records
> website but you
> may
> not be familiar with Steve Morse. Steve created a front end
> or gateway
> to
> make it much easier to search the Ellis Island records site.
> He had this
> gateway up at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html .
> He offered many other parameters to search the Ellis Island
> site and it
> was
> remarkably user friendly in it's ease of use and search
> options. In fact
> it
> is the front end that Ellis Island records should have
> offered to begin
> with. Steve did a remarkable job and it's my opinion that he
> should have
> been hired by them rather than be threatened by them since
> he obviously
> has
> a much better grasp of what is actually needed than the
> people that
> designed
> the site.
> Ellis Island records org. has decided that Steve Morse is in
> violation
> of
> their terms of use and has notified him of such. He feels
> that it is not
> in
> violation but has taken the website down because he does not
> have the
> resources to fight them. If they feel this is cutting into
> their
> revenue,
> why not just ask Steve to put up a banner on his site
> encouraging
> donations
> or membership to the Ellis Island org.?
> I am including two letters here that can be copied and
> pasted and sent
> to
> (1) the Ellis Island records org and (2) to the sponsors of
> the Ellis
> Island
> site requesting that they change their position on the terms
> of use and
> Steve Morse's site and that they restore 'right click'
> functionality to
> the
> Ellis Island records website.
>
> =============================
> Letter to the Ellis Island Records Org. and
> the National Park Service
> note * please copy and paste this letter to a new email and
> send one
> copy
> to:
> and one to the National Park
> Service at:
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> To whom it may concern,
> This is to inform you that I will be boycotting your website
> at:
> http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ and will encourage all my
> friends and
> other genealogy groups to do the same until you change your
> position and
> allow Steve Morse's website at:
> http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html to operate.
> I don't
> believe
> he is in violation of your terms of use and I feel the
> public would be
> better served if he were hired by you to provide a search
> engine rather
> than
> being threatened by you.
> I am also requesting that you restore 'right click'
> functionality to
> your
> website.
> I will no longer donate to your organization, join your
> service or
> purchase
> products you offer.
> I am also notifying the sponsors listed on your website that
> I will be
> boycotting their products and services until this situation
> is resolved.
> Shame on you. This isn't how Ellis Island, the National Park
> Service or
> the
> memories of our ancestors should be represented.
>
> Sincerely Disappointed
> (your sig and email addy)
> -------------------------
> ===============================
>
> ===============================
> Letter to the sponsors listed on the Ellis Island site.
> email addresses
> included at end of message.
> -----------------------------------------------
> To whom it may concern,
> You are currently a sponsor listed on the Ellis Island
> Records website
> at:
> http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ and this email is to
> inform you that
> I
> will be boycotting your products or services and urging my
> friends to do
> so
> also.
> This is in response to Ellis Island Records Org. decision to
> notify
> Steve
> Morse ( http://home.pacbell.net/spmorse/ellis/ellis.html )
> that his
> website
> is in violation of their terms of use.
> I feel Steve Morse was not in violation of the terms of use
> and provided
> a
> service that Ellis Island org should have provided
> themselves.
> It is also in response to their decision to disable 'right
> click'
> functionality on their website.
> Until these issues are resolved and you remain a sponsor, I
> will no
> longer
> purchase your products, use any services you offer or visit
> your
> website.
> I am sincerely disappointed in the actions of the Ellis
> Island Records
> organization and am sorry it needs to reflect upon your
> company in such
> a
> negative manner.
>
> (your sig and email addy)
> --------------------------
> note * please copy and paste this letter to a new email and
> send one
> copy to
> each of the sponsors listed below, I am sure some of these
> addresses
> wrapped, both lines are one single address.
>
> Compaq:
>
>
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>
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> message from
> their
> website at:
> https://customerservice.novusnet.com/EMS/html/usemsform.html
>
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> http://www.oracle.com/corporate/contact/index.html?webmaster
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