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From: (Claire Furth)
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Subject: Re: Edward Couch SC
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 21:02:49 GMT
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Ben, I'm so glad to hear from you. Thanks for the info. My comments
and questions are interspersed in your notes.

The following deed is very interesting and I will see what I can
find out about this land and how John COUCH obtained it. This could
certainly indicate another son but this is the first connection I've
seen between Edward and a John COUCH.
Actually I haven't found a John COUCH in Edgefield. The name
COUCH and CROUCH were sometimes mixed up and I found John, Toliver,
Isaac and Watson COUCH in the 1790 census.
When I checked further I found an abstract of a will of John
CROUCH d. Edgefield 1790 with wife Margaret and 5 children: John,
Eliz, Toliver, Isaac & Birley. I then assumed the John in the census
was a CROUCH.

On Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:20:57 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Deed book 35, Edgefield Co., SC has a deed from John Couch to Henry Spann for
>a tract of land "granted to Edward Couch Sept 1791" This land was bounded by
>Edward Couch, Hezekial Walker, and James Gunnels. The land was on a branch to
>Beech Creek. John's wife, Sarah Couch also signed(her mark), date 23 Oct
1809.
>While this is not absolute proof that John is a son of Edward, it does
support
>information from two descendants of Edward that I contacted in 1984/5.

The 1790 census is key to determining how many children he had.
Please tell me where to find Edward in the 1790 census. I couldn't
find him. There is an Edward COUCH in the 1790 NC census but he is
the Rev. Sol. - not the Edgefield Edward. I believe that is the one
quoted below.

>Also, the 1790 census shows Edward with 3 sons and 5 daughters. My best guess
>at the names is as follows:
>
> John, Willis, Watson, Charity, Sarah, Frances, Apselia and Douvicea.
>
>John who died after 1 Feb 1819 and before the 1820 census, married Sarah.
Where did this John die? There was one John COUCH of SC who is
believed to have ma Sarah WATSON but I don't think he was ever in
Edgefield.
>
>My info on Willis and Watson is not extensive. Only names from Edward's
>descendants.
I've never heard of Willis. I only found Watson in the 1790
census. There is a younger Watson in Edgefield who I believe was the
son of Jeptha.

>
>Charity m. Moore Johnson
Moore Johnson was a legatee in Edward's will.
>
>Frances m. Moses Holstein c. 1810. He died c. 1862
Moses Holston was a legatee.

>Sarah m. Richard Bush, Jr.
Richard BUSH an administrator of Edward's will.

>Apselia m. John Permenter
Have seen no proof for Apselia but have her on my list of
"possible children" because of her name and the close relationship
shown in general in the records.

>Douvicea b. 6 Jul 1779, d. 31 JAN 1848, m. William McDaniel 23 Jun 1798.

Her name was given as Lovica in the Bible records. I've seen it
as Louvicy, Louvicea and several other spellings but never spelled
with a D.

I would add the wife of Henry SPANN as a possible. Henry SPANN
received a legacy from Edward's estate so is definitely a descendant
or married to one.

>My sources(Douvicea descendants in KS and FL) indicated that the children of
>Wm. McDaniel and Douvicea Couch were:
> Stanmore, Edward, Apselia, Alexander, Sophia, Levi, Ellen, William Watson,
>Simeon, Mary, Charity and Pickins.

Yes, the children named are correct.

>There are several in this list that are probably named for the Couch side of
>the family(Edward, Apselia, Alexander, Levi, William Watson, and Charity).

>William Watson could have been the father of Apselia Watson m. Edward Couch.
>William had a brother named John Watson according to one source. This source
>listed John Watson as father of wife of Edward Couch.

I have researched this extensively but not exhaustively. Edward and
Abselia Couch had a very, very close relationship with John COUCH and
with Michael WATSON, son of William WATSON. William died much
earlier. They all lived on adjoining lands and I haven't been able to
determine which of them are Abselia's father but I lean toward William
because
1. Lovica named a son William Watson McDaniel (for her grandfa?) and
2. John WATSON had a known dau Celie (who I think might have been
named Abselia- no one else seems to agree with that, but among the
decendants of Abselia in my family, Celie/Sely became a nickname for
Abselia.) It is possible and even probable that proof will never be
found to identify the correct one.

>Both of my sources for some of the above are McDaniel descendants, but my
last
>contact was 13-14 years ago. Their addresses at that time were:
>
>Mrs. J L Warrick
>313 Mesa Drive
>Eureka, KS 67045
>
>Mrs. Evelyn McDaniel Frazier Bryan
>1596 Lancaster Terrace Unit 3B
>Jacksonville, FL 32204
>
>If they are still around, I am sure they would like to hear from you.
>
>Ben Couch
>
Thanks for the names. I will probably write them when I return
to my COUCH/McDANIEL research.
Claire

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