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From: "Jim Bundy" <>
Subject: Re: [AYR] UK Trip --> Boyds @ Rowallan
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 19:44:23 -0700
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Hi Mike,
As to the parishes for Moscow village and Berryhill farm, they are
both just across the line from Fenwick Parish, and in Kilmarnock. In
my burials list, though, I sometimes get entries for people in those 2
places buried at Fenwick, as it was probably closer than Kilmarnock
for them.
Jim
Bundy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Boyd" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AYR] UK Trip --> Boyds @ Rowallan


>I have three Boyd families of Fenwick - which is an relative popular
>place for Boyds.
>
> This is the beginning of the first Family
>
> 3/154 BOYD OF BERRY HILL (near FENWICK), AYRSHIRE
>
> This family had in its possession the Seal of the Earls of
> Kilmarnock which had been passed down the family to William Boyd of
> Seddon, Australia. After his death, the Seal was passed back to Dean
> Castle by his nephew, John Watt, in 19xx. Due this possession, it is
> thought that this family's relationship with that of Kilmarnock,
> could be through the first Earl's fourth son, Robert Boyd who died
> in Belgium while on service with Sir Charles Graham's Scot Dutch
> Brigade. (see Chapter 3 for details of the First Earls brothers).
>
> The origins of this family is from Berry Hill which is just outside
> the small hamlet of Moscow (near Fenwick) Ayrshire. Berry Hill is
> the farm where they came from and the farmhouse is still there
> (1992) and the land surrounding it is still all farmland.
>
> There could well be a generation between William Boyd (R1) and
> Robert Boyd, the fourth son of the First Earl as the gap between
> Williams suggested birth in 1708 and marriage in 1743 seems too
> great to me. From a quick look at The 1981 International
> Genealogical Index for Scotland, I was able to find the following at
> Fenwick:-
>
> Thomas Boyd, m 1695, Margrat Wyllie (Also at Kilmarnock);
> William Boyd, born to William Boyd/ Elizabeth Boyd, C 1707;
> William Boyd, born to Thomas Boyd/Agnes, 1699;
> Agnes Boyd, born to Andrew Boyd/Sara Miller, C1731;
> Agnes Boyd, born to James Boyd/Mary Brown, C1741;
> Agnes Boyd, born to Thomas Boyd/Mary Miller, b 1723 (Kilmarnock);
> Agnes Boyd, born to William Boyd/Mary Steell, C 1735;
> Margaret Boyd, born to Robert Boyd/Mary Dale, C 1730;
> Sara Boyd, born to Thomas Boyd/Sara Richmond, C 1741.
> This would suggest that prior to 1738 there were a number of
> branches already in the Fenwick area.
>
> R1 William Boyd, b 17xx, d 17xx, m 30/8/1743, Janet Smith, dau of
> John Smith, of Rodindykes in Fenwick, b 17xx, d 17xx, and had
> issue:-
>
> [Lived: Berry Hill ? farm, Ayrshire ]
>
> - William bought Berryhill farm from Thomas Millar on 11/11/1738
> (From Sasines). Miss Watt thought it may have been possible that the
> 4th Earl may have provided some (financial )help.
>
> - Janet married firstly 4/7/1738 (Fenwick) John Millar, farmer in
> Russia (or spelt Rushaw/Rusha, about 2 miles NE of Berryhill). She
> was bapt. either 2/12/1716 or 10/3/1717, as Miss Watt did not know
> which mother was Janet's.
>
> - Why were all 5 of William's children, who were born at Berryhill,
> christianed at Kilmarnock when the church at Fenwick was closer?
> These christenings were not always on a Sunday.
>
> Moscow is about half way between the road between Waterside and
> Galston - to the SE of Fenwick. While I understand that Rowallan is
> to the SW of Fenwick.
>
> Secondly you will notice that Berryhill was only bought by William
> Boyd in 1738. Miss Watt did not know in 1992, where the family came
> from prior to that.
>
> Thirdly, "This family had in its possession the Seal of the Earls of
> Kilmarnock". So the QUESTION is, how did this family come into the
> possession of the Earl's seal. One would expect some family link.
> Miss Watt thought it could have been the First Earl's son Robert
> Boyd. While the First Earl's children are listed, it is not given
> any literature that I have seen, if any married and had children.
> Certainly, several families in America claim linkage to the head of
> the Clan through his children and have written books to that effect.
> However, I am not satisfied that these links are proven. At best in
> some cases, they have said that the head of their family was Robert
> or James and therefore must be the Earl's son. When I visit
> Kilmarnock, this will be one of the main things that I will be
> looking for to see, if there is any known family from these 9
> children.
>
> Mike Boyd
> Brisbane
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [AYR] UK Trip --> Boyds @ Rowallan
>
>
> Mike & all,
>
> Here's a bit of testimony to the Boyd's tenure at Rowallan. One
> daughter was the fourth wife of a possible, but not proven, ancestor
> of mine:
>
> Wm. Cuthbertson “Older” of Buntinhill, Kilmaurs, Marriage #4 –
> Sarah Boyd
>
>
>
> 28 Nov. 1708 William Cuthbertson in this parish and Sarah Boyd in
> the parish of Kilmarnock gave up their names to be proclaimed in
> order to marriage and consigned their 2 dollars in Allan Brown’s
> hand. [ Kilmaurs OPR ]
>
>
>
> 1708 William Cuthbertson, officer to the ? E ? of Dundonald
> (probably, Earl of Dundonald) in the Parish of Kilmaurs. His 4th
> marriage and Sarah Boyd, daughter of John Boyd, Farmer in Rowalland,
> Her 1st marriage. Married in the Kirk on Tuesday December 14 by Mr.
> Finlayson. Witnesses, John Boyd and Thomas Millar. {Kilmarnock OPR]
>
>
>
> The Kilmaurs Session minutes later (1713) mention Sarah Boyd being
> permitted to “hold up” her child for baptism on her own while
> William was under lesser excommunication for fornication with a
> household servant. (It was a very messy case, and long drawn out!).
>
>
>
> I haven't yet gotten around to re-checking the Kilmaurs OPR to see
> if Sarah Boyd's child from 1713 appears.
>
>
>
> There was also a Janet Boyd married to William Cuthbertson
> "younger", in Kilmaurs. They were married somewhat before his
> father married Sarah. I don't know if there was any connection
> between the two women. The same (or another) Janet Boyd committed
> adultery with one James Cuthbertson ca. 1705 according to the
> Kilmaurs Session.minutes. Neither her nor his identity is otherwise
> defined, and I've long since learned how there are often several
> folks of the same name in a parish.
>
>
>
> There was a cluster of Cuthbertsons in that area near Rowallan
> Castle in the neck of Kilmarnock between Fenwick and Kilmaurs and
> spilling over into those parishes. So it may be that there were
> several connections (licit and illicit) with the Boyds in that same
> neighborhood.
>
>
>
> Btw, I don't have anything definate on your Elizabeth Cuthbertson
> who married James Boyd, But this same William Cuthbertson "older"
> listed above had a daughter Elizabeth, born 1693, from his second
> marriage to Isobel Biggart in Kilmaurs. Might be a connection,
> though your list of children doesn't fit the naming pattern on her
> side at all.
>
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>
> Ken Cuthbertson
>
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>
>
>
>
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