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From: "Mary Petty" <>
Subject: Hofmeister, Cindy -APG-L Indian status 1930 US Census - James W. Petty response 04-11-04
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:18:32 -0600

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Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 3:44 PM
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Subject: Indian Census

Two or three comments about the Census you refer to in your e-mail.

First) This census entry pertains to John Pepper, not to James Pepper. I'm
sure everyone has pointed that out.

Second) The census entry was very incorrect in the information it provided.
The husband was identified as an Indian, born in Missouri, with his father
being of mixed blood, and his mother listed as Cherokee. His wife Sarah is
a non-Indian, or white.
Daughter Nettie is listed as an Indian, born in Missouri, whose father was
of "mixed blood" and whose mother was "Cherokee." Living with them was
John's mother, Elizabeth, born in Missouri, whose father was of "mixed
blood" and whose mother was "Cherokee." The same statistical notations were
made for all three of the family member listed as Indians. Clearly,
Nettie's information is wrong. Her mother, Sarah, was non-Indian. John's
mother, Elizabeth, should have been Cherokee, based on John's listing. If
she were full blood, then her father shouldn't have been listed as "mixed
blood." This is an example of sloppy work on the part of the census taker,
giving the same information about three distinctly different people in a
family.

Third) The statistical notations "66", and "32-4", may have been noted by
the census taker at the time the census was made; or it may have been added
by a government statistician after the census was recorded (you realize that
after every census is taken, the census department goes through the records
and determines population statistics for the use of the government, and they
made notations on the original documents, which were microfilmed, and that
is what you are looking at). If these notations were made by government
statisticians, you need to locate their list of instructions, or perhaps the
government publication pertaining to the 1930 census, to determine what the
numbers refer to. The "32-4" probably has nothing to do with the degree of
blood, because Nettie's father's statistic would be different from his
father's. In addition, neither the census taker, nor the statistician would
be in a position to know the percentage of blood.

Jim Petty



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Subject: [APG] can some one help with an Indian ?

I have been looking at a 1930 census online which states Cherokee blood for
the individuals.

I have read in Kathy Hinckley's book "Your Guide to Federal Census" which
states the enumerators were to place in the birth place the degree of Indian
an individual was. Under the mother it states Cherokee, under the father's
it states mixed blood. but for the birth place of the particular individual
it states Missouri and then 66 written next to it.
Does anyone know if this number indicates the clan or tribe or possible
reservation?
Also above the mixed blood it written 32-4

If interested in looking at the census to see what I'm talking about it is
on Ancestry State Missouri Laclede County Hooker Township image 2 of 13
house James PEPPER house hold 13 line 53-56.

Thanks for any and all help

Cindy Hofmeister



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